The 7-30 Waters, a necked down and blown out (wall taper taken out) 30-30 case, was conceived by Ken Waters to improve the ballistics of typical tube magazine lever actions commonly chambered in 30-30. The 7x57 Mauser, 284 Winchester, 7x64 Brenneke, and 280 Remington are fine contenders, but none have the factory ammo support. I'm getting 2960 fps with 160 grain Accubonds in my Model Seven with a factory 22" barrel. The difference in velocity between the 7mm SAUM cartridge and the 7mm Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) is less than 50 feet per second; they are almost ballistic twins. at the muzzle. I have also shot out several . Standard 280 Rem. That short neck stuff is a myth, the straight 7 wsm is incredibly accurate and just as easy to tune as a saum. JavaScript is disabled. I love my 7 saum. core lokt shoots the best out of my rifle, which is a remington 700 bdl. SHOTGUN_AMMO. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. You must log in or register to reply here. $17.95. This is many shooters answer to the 7mm Rem. Perfect is a strong word and of course hyperbolic in this context. I'm shooting 180 berger hybrids at 2930fps. The TaurusTX 22 Compact delivers class-leading reliability, capacity, and shootability in a 22 LR platform, and it's cut for a slide-mounted mini red dot. My long term plan is to have a second rifle built on a LA that is probably chambered in a 30 to push 190gr+ bullets. This Mid Length PRC kit is designed to be used in a Remington short action. I am probably not looking in the right places, but I could not find good options for fast twist 7mm barrels. 180's @ 2850 on a 22" here also. The group was shot with the load with he higher SD. Mag. The 7 SAUM (Short Action Ultra Magnum) was introduced in 2002 by Remington as part of its Ultra Magnum line. $26.95. As it stands right now with a 7mm WSM the 150gr ELDX are at about 2.95" to the lands. Performance The 7mm SAUM does not achieve 7mm Remington Magnum velocities or performance. Nosler started with that same 404 Jeffery fat case (some say they actually worked with the RUM case, but we wont nitpick,) but they shortened it enough to squeeze into 30-06 length actions. 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I was able to push up to about 2850 max with both the 175 and 184 berger but I settled at 2800. Please post some results if you are using them. Box Count: 20 Rounds. Looking at this from a different perspective, that's 4.8 inches per mph of wind. Great feedback everyone. Astute readers will notice a few things from these numbers:. Buddy just got a 7SAUM made with a 24" barrel and seems to get 2980 with a 180 grain Berger and RL 26. That's pretty simple, so the SAUM's rep- utation holds true. Upland High Velocity loads feature Federal Premium copper-plated lead shot and the best components for the most consistent, deadly patterns possible for pheasants . If it were me with the use and distance you are stating I would go the 7SAUM 24" barrel and set it up to shoot the Berger 180's or another good 180. Look no further. Make Offer. Remington makes SAUM brass, and I've heard that it can be quite consistent if the necks are turned and you're willing to weight sort the brass. It's shooting about 0.4MOA 5 shot groups at 100 yards, still need to run it out to distance and true the BC on the 195's to see what they get after being pointed. and Wby Mag., 7 SAUM or 7 WSM. Should be getting close to what you are seeing with my long action and those 183 Sierras. Thx. I just had my gunsmith chamber it for the 180s when he chambered the barrel. The other two spring from the fat 404 Jeffery case of 1909, a popular big game round in Africa because it fit bolt-actions rifles costing less than the big side-by-side doubles of the era. with either the Berger 215- or 230-grain Hybrid and push them at maximum pressures. Straight sidewalls, 35-degree shoulder, .500 diameter body. It was designed specifically for the Remington Model Seven Magnum rifle, and intended primarily for long-range hunting use. ELD-Match ammo I shot at FTW was rated 2,975 fps on the box. Tipsy Tuesday: Elk Film, Gear, News, & More. Of course, long, heavy, high B.C. I am looking to stay lightweight and How far off the lands are you at with your custom chambering? released in 1957. I would also recommend going with an 8 twist in case you want to try the heavy bullets in the future. I have a GA Hunter in XM with a #5 8.5 twist 25.5 Brux and an AG Composites Alpine Hunter stock. First time ever shooting anything beyond 1k. I'm going to have to re-work my load. The world is awash in 7mm rifle cartridges for a darn good reason: they are perfect. When I shot a WSM, I was impressed with the mild recoil but received a rude awakening when sourcing brass. I can vouch for that one! In Stock Product Number: 004418. The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. SKU : WEX1232. bullets in the mid- .6s and low .7s that match .308 bullets weighing about 30 grains more. You are using an out of date browser. Mag. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on J The constant of -3.2 from our range in hundreds of yards works pretty well from 600 to 1,300 yards. Alliant also lists 66.0 grains of RL-25 for 3024 fps with the 160 Speer Hot-Cor. I have the 175 eldx loaded at 2.950. Different Numbers, But 7mm Still as Sweet. If there are any other cartridges you would like to see comp. It reaches full potential in a bolt-action where it can outperform the 270 Win. This doesnt mean you should load .277 bullets. Not so narrow that they become ineffective for terminating big game. Here the 7mms also shine. One of the main benefits of the 7mm is the wide variety of heavy bullets with high BCs and low form factors, both desirable for efficient trajectories. When I began my search for a multi-purpose, long-range cartridge, I wanted it to be capable of playing dual roles as a tactical competition caliber as well as an effective long-range hunting caliber. Mag., but again, that's too much recoil in a competition scenario. I would hate to see people try to duplicate that speed as it would be down right dangerous. Speeds of 162 grain bullet at over 3300 is either from an extra long barrel 32-34 inches, a result of a faulty chrono or excessive pressure. (The 7mm WSM has 81.0 grains of capacity vs. 73.6 grains for the 7mm SAUM.) Mine is on a long action, keep that in mind. The little 7mm BR (Bench Rest,) essentially a 308 Winchester shortened to a COAL of just 2.375, burns about 30 grains of Win 748 powder to push 150-grain bullets about 2,300 fps in rifles, 2,000 fps in the 14 and 15 handgun barrels through which it is most commonly fired. I elected to use Alpha Industries' Type 4 magazine designed for the .300 WSM-sized case. I'm thinking the 22" variety has a bit of appeal. $3.21. But ammo is hard to find in much variety. Im hoping to get the 3327 node to a little lower SD. I shot 160's in mine. UPC : 076683000217. All rights reserved. The 7mm Rem. $109.38. With heavier bullets I think the 7mm Rem Mag should hold an advantage. Also often called the 6.5mm SAUM or 6.5 GAP 4S, the SAUM stands for Short Action Ultra Magnum, and the case is similar to a 7mm SAUM which has been necked down to accept a 6.5mm (.264) bullet. less powder. Posts: 19 7 saum loads? The 180-grain VLD at the above velocities shows a 48-inch drift at 1,000 yards in a 10-mph full value wind. Serious hand loaders and shooters seek to match the perfect cartridge to their firearm. But long range precision shooters are reviving the 284 Win., so stay tuned. UPC : 020892015531. Mag. Long is awesome if you are OK with another .5" bolt throw and an ounce or 2. The new RIA 5.0 Sporting Pistol from Rock Island Armory features a patented RVS Recoil system that maximizes barrel mass and linear movement to give shooters super soft recoil. Riding right with the 7 Rem Mag and AI are the 7mm Remington SAUM (Short Action Ultra Mag) and Winchester WSM (Winchester Short Magnum,) two short-fat cartridges that havent done well in the market, but can do anything you need in the field. If you load, I recommend the 7 sherman short mag. Ammo 300 Rem Ultra Mag Ammo 300 Remington SAUM Ammo 300 Ruger Compact Mag Ammo 300 Savage. The difference in velocity between the 7mm SAUM cartridge and . . Relative, approximate muzzle velocities of some 7mms pushing 150-grain bullets. Caliber: 7mm Remington Magnum. I figured it would be safe with 150 Ballistic Tips, and it was, getting over 3100 with 150 Ballistic Tips in my rifle. COOL STUFF : 25 ACP 32 ACP 327 Magnum 380 ACP 9mm Luger 357 Magnum 357 SIG 38 Special 38 Super 40 S&W 10mm Auto: 41 Magnum 44 Magnum 44 Special 45 ACP 45 GAP 45 Colt 454 Casull 460 Magnum 480 Ruger 50 AE 500 Magnum: 223 Remington The SCAR 15P is chambered for 5.56 NATO and, with its 7.5-inch barrel, is the most compact SCAR to date. It will NOT work in most clones! With about .09-inch of bearing surface below the neck/shoulder junction, there's plenty of space in the case to spare. Another way to look at it is in mils, which would mean that at 1,000 yards, I have 1.3 mils of wind drift for 10 mph, or .13 mil per mile an hour. This brings us to the oft-cited 7mm Rem. One would have more luck sourcing unicorn tears. Is there a calculation for case capacity and optimal barrel length? Minnesota. Anyone willing to share overall lengths on 7 SAUM handloads along with what bullets your using? Guys have 7 saum's in 20" barrels up to 32" in F-class. $4.99. The difference in velocity between the 7mm SAUM cartridge and the 7mm Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) is less than 50 feet per second; they are almost ballistic twins. For whatever it's worth, I got the 180's over 2850 in a 22" . With the STW I imagined the 7mms had reached the top of their ballistic mountain, but Remington proved me wrong in 2001 when it booted its 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum into the fray. It does look like a SAUM will have slightly more forgiveness. The 284 meets its potential in a precision bolt action where a 22 barrel is sufficient for most hunting applications. The team here at Lapua understands this, and has made our "Passion for Precision" the blueprint for our success. The 63.9 grains of H1000 gave me what I was looking for with both accuracy and velocity. GMX & 140 TTSX as well. HANDGUN BALLISTICS. I chose to run Berger 180-grain VLDs as the do-it-all competition/hunting bullet. In Stock. Ballistic performance is nearly identical. D0A549A4-D4BC-4DEC-95B5-C72350DCE11C.jpeg. The Best of both worlds: After nearly 4 years of waiting, Dan Wesson's DWX is here. I believe it is a better version of a 280 AI in the rifles that I'm using. I was trying not to bump to a DBM which would get me to 2.955". Significant loss of velocity occurred between 21 and 20, 75 ft/sec, and between 24 and 23, 60 ft/sec. Bob Meinert, FN Marketing Director, introduces FN's first commercial pistol suppressor, the FN Rush 9Ti. JavaScript is disabled. The origin does not work with the extended boxes. Hunters often use the 7mm Magnum to kill impala, antelope, . I've been looking for any 280 AI data too, there doesn't seem to be any yet. The real number is .75 mils, but, hey, what's .05? One of the benefits of working with a local gunsmith was the ability to control and access the project. Why such a small gap between them, with a 10% lighter bullet? I say this to prove how familiar I am with this cartridge . Give a Gift Adg brass 60.7 grains of H4831sc, fed 210m's. deeper into the shadows. One is 500 the other is 1000 yards. #6. is more widley available. The 7mm SAUM currently retains a small following. Higher BC, still good speed and more terminal energy than the 162's. . It slightly exceeds the ballistic performance of the short-action 7mm SAUM on the right. Both cartridges were designed to work through short action rifles. 3.070 coal. (L-R) 6.5 Creedmoor, 6mm Creedmoor, .223 Remington, .308 Winchester, 7mm SAUM, .300 Win. The 280 AI (Ackley Improved) adds about 100 fps to the 280 Rem. 3160's with 140's and H-4350. in a package almost as small as the .260 Rem. The 165 grain GameKing lost 254 ft/sec as the barrel length decreased from 28 to 20. Handloaders can find .284 bullets (the diameter that all 7mm cartridges digest) as light as 100 grains, perfect for pasture rodents, coyotes, and even deer. Christensen Arms Summit TI 7mm Rem Mag Bolt Action Rifle.. 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