I guess that is how progress is made. Quickly thereafter, the cartridge won fans worldwide. In their ballistics tables, Winchester list a very high muzzle velocity of 4,060ft/s (1,240m/s) with a 55-grain (3.6g) projectile for this cartridge. Some barrels just don't seem to like the 87 very much, performing much better with an 80gr FB, or 90gr Boat-tail. 243 wssm brass For Sale I don't know why this is what it is S shortgrass Well-Known Member LRH Supporter Joined Mar 31, 2010 Messages 3,581 Location Weatherford, Oklahoma Jan 1, 2015 #5 I think I'd plan on buying the reamer, too. The biggest problem that I have found is that the winchester brass has a thick neck and is somewhat "lumpy" which requires turning the neck down on each case. This is a substantial improvement in having a semi-automatic rifle that can shoot flatter than the .300 and has less recoil compared to the .308 AR-10/SR-25, mounted on an AR-15 lower. I'm Mike, one of the oldest writer of Sniper Country! Then figure out how to launch it. Quit trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear, nut up and do the work we know needs done. The Long Range Hunter is available in .300 WSM with an adjustable brake - it's enough gun. Winchester Super Short Magnum. I took it home cleaned/lubed her up and tomarrow will be range time. The purpose of an autoloading rifle is to throw multiple shots down range quickly so if you are not going to be using rapid fire then I dont why you would want to use the AR Platform. I have the 117s but havent gotten a good load out of my Match-barrelled Savage Striker pistol 243 WSSMbut got a 243 WSSM AR pistol idea in the works for intermediate range coyoteswell see. The 7-08 is one of the most overlooked cartridges out there for an AR-10. Copyright Ammotogo.com 2023 All Rights Reserved. Internet "Experts" are a dime a dozen and will not be of any help if, and when, any problems should appear. BTHP ammunition is Federals Matchking with Sierra bullets. There is great potential in this cartridge. The reason the .223 was initially used for sniping is because the AR-15s are chambered to allow for a semi-automatic rifle, it has little logistic and repair issues, minimal re-training for operation and maintenance and negligible recoil to reduce training and flinching. There is a lot to cover when it comes to carrying a firearm for self-defense. i planed on it, but i figured i would see what other peoples opinions were. To mitigate these problems, the .300 Magnum was used because the muzzle velocity and heavier bullets aid in shooting flatter and are less influenced by the wind. 6mm Caliber / .243" Diameter . Once you have a correctly seasoned barrel and it is on your hunting or mission specific rifle dont rapid fire it and allow it to get excessively over heated. For handloads, both the 6mm and 6.5mm bullets are available in extremely high ballistic coeficient target bullets. I have no idea why. Purchase Now. It is a lot of extra work to make into a tack driver and the smiths I have talked to say its easier to work up the 243 win. Olympic Arms produced their first .243 WSSM production rifle in 2004 and included production models in their 2005 catalog. The 243 Winchester Super Short Magnum or 243 WSSM is a rifle cartridge introduced in 2003. . What youre describing almost sounds like a Garand or M1A chambered for a greater variety of cartridges. Concealed Holster Review. It doesnt do anything that couldnt be had from other weapons for less and have good ammo availability. This, in the end, is bench racing. 300 BLK? The round was introduced in 2003. Comment * document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a8b1a83a6dc9085f984ccc53d8e6bfef" );document.getElementById("c66d09f25a").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Your email address will not be published. I get excellent groups with the rifle. Recoil is low enough to actually enjoy and make you want to shoot it all day. Improved technology in propellants and the physics behind shorter, wider casings help boost performance. Load data for 55 loads in caliber .243 WSSM with .243 | 70gr | Sierra Blitzking bullet including underlying parameters such as bullet length, cartridge length and case capacity. gun). Loads in both the 223 WSSM and 243 WSSM have been specifically designed for this type of application. I almost question if those power points arent meant for the .30-30. Check outHill Billy Brass. In factory ammunition, ballistic coefficients vary from around 0.240 to above 0.395. Having shot more than a dozen deer with it from a .243 Win., 6 mm Rem., and 6 mm Int'l, seldom do deer travel farif at all. There is no factory loaded 243 WSSM round with a high BC target type bullet. An obscure (all things relative) boutique cartridge, that isnt, you know, available. I personally think the .243 WSSM most excellent for varminting, small game, medium, and even some Big Game at the appropriate distances. Mechanically speaking,what really torpedoed the chances of the .243 WSSM being well embraced, was how it interfaced with Bolt Action platforms. I think that if you decide to run a ton of ammo downrange in a short time, then yes, it would be a barrel burner. Because it is a very high velocity round (basically, performance slightly exceeding .243 Winchester) that is short enough to be fed in an AR-15 lower. The first of the majors to . But Ive spent way too much time tracking deer from new shooters who thought they missed their deer with the 243, only to find it dead a long way away after too long of a track. You cant get the OAL of a .243 Win up through the AR-15 magazine well. Savage 19136 12 Long Range Precision Bolt 243 Win 26" 4+1 Black. All the 243 WSSM factory rounds are unsuitable for long range target popping. Purchase Now. [5] Based on Hodgdon reloading data typical velocities should range from approximately 4,000ft/s (1,200m/s) with a 58-grain (3.8g) bullet to approximately 3,000ft/s (910m/s) with a 100-grain (6.5g) bullet. As a caliber, the 6mm has the least number of commercial members. I am pretty positive that far exceeds what a normal hunter or recreational shooter would put thru their barrel in a life time (in this caliber). its a real good shooter with the 58 gr. He was going to reload but finding brass is a pain, thanks for the link above. Ps the 115g is tail happy for 300yd out of my 1:10 barrel but once the projectile goes to sleep it still bucks the wind and is a tack driver. SST Superformance (BC .447). Availability . The original caliber has a heritage that makes the conversion to a Super Short Magnum seem very reasonable and, generally, a pretty good idea. It easily can bring down a Bull Elk at 350yds. Downrange at 800+ yards, however, those bullets had all the ballistic fervor of a .22LR. No spam. It was appreciated. Now this difference isnt nearly as significant to shooting a deer at 300 yards as it is to hitting a gong at 1000 yards. MSRP: $173.50 $115.67. Item : RAHP22ARMN. 243 Winchester Super Short Mag (WSSM) in 87 Grain Soft Point- Hard to find, but we have you covered!! 130s loping along at 2560fps MV still clear over 800yrds supersonic with even less recoil. 165s moving a pokey 2250 make it 1000yrds supersonic with the same mild recoil as a 7.6239. Excellent points. . OK, so lets propose using the .243 WSSM to launch a varmint-class bullet with low Bcs is just a waste and figure out how to get the most out of the .243 WSSM. I dont get it. I have since found a tip for what seems like a good source for brass if you are a reloader I am not. If I won the lottery, I would order up 50,000 rounds of the stuff and get it into the market so I could start cranking out more .243 WSSM chambered AR-15s. It is a true joy to shoot as well. Beau has also trained with the USCCA and is a current member. The .243 Winchester Super Short Magnum, or .243 WSSM, is a .243in caliber sporting rifle cartridge introduced in 2003. $460 47. The .243 WSSM is also a popular long-range shooting cartridge. LR Guru Formerly '300NM_guru' LRH Supporter. With a low initial velocity, it has the steepest exterior ballistic arc. For hunting the choice between the two should be based on terminal ballistics, the heavier bullet being better for larger game. The round came as a match cartridge, but it has been used successfully in hunting since the early 1960s. Secondly, in order to get the best burn rates and pressures from any of the propellants used, it meant it usually was accompanied by high heat. Ive got AR15 pattern rifles in 5.56, 6.5Grendel, 6.8SPC, .338Spectre, .and 458SOCOM. The tyranny of drag, thats what. For what I need a center fire rifle for, hunting at ranges usually less than 300 yards, Ill just stick with my .243 bolt gun. . The Garand/M1A have their own issues, starting with a) theyre expensive to manufacture, b) their long op-rod is subject to being bent by hotter loads, c) their stock mounting really wants them to remain in the stock, not be broken out for cleaning. 6mm Remington. I would wager it has been used on almost every continent since its introduction in 1955. Increasing speed increases throat wear, copper fouling, cleaning time etc. DArcy is the man! Hes been slowly piecing it together since acquiring the barrel and action together. 243 Win Super Short Magnum (WSSM) Load Data - (Archived) 243 Win Super Short Magnum (WSSM) Load Data. As importantly, am I hoping to get some attention from ammunition manufacturers on the .243 WSSM, which was truly ahead of its time. Not your case, not your velocity, just your bullet. If you trust him enough to build your rifle, then trust him enough to value his opinion. Throw in an 18 barrel as opposed to a 16 and youll probably get that 50fps back. A well-placed shot will take down most game animals available in North America within 500 yards (0.46 km). A heavier bullet delivers greater energy upon impact at the expense of faster bullet drop which is nothing skilled marksmanship can not accommodate. Good if you have money too burn buying the rig and 60 $ boxes of shells or the set up for reloading! But I noticed that you do not hear much about people using a model 70. I think the G1 BC was .325. 6mm XC. 250 Savage. If you reload, Hornady and Winchester brass are readily available. The 243 Win is an exceptionally accurate round, in part because its low recoil prevents flinching. SPBT bullets with 36gr of IMR 4064, and would have total confidence it shooting a deer with it. Ive had mausers and springfields and others. It shares the same diameter bullet and shoulder angle as the 222 Remington Magnum but differs from it in that it has a shorter neck and longer overall length. 95%. Dime sized groups are the norm with Winchester factory ammo. Winchester thought of the .243 Win. If it doesnt have good bullets for me to load, I dont want it. It has so many negative against it and a reputation that was purely conjured up by peoples last lusting for a military rifle that was wood and steel, then many threw off the wood! The WSSMs have been around for at least a decade now. Unsubscribe at any time. . Beretta 3032 Tomcat [Review]: A Worthy Self-Defense Pistol? The M14s and M1As that were made with TRW parts are high quality guns, built from forged, heat-treated steel and walnut, unlike the stamped sheet metal of their peers of the era. Major manufacturerOlympic Armswas quick to recognize this high performance caliber and how it fits into the AR-15 platform. 3389. Repeating Arms Company ( Winchester Inc ). The issue is actually more about the length of the bolt action than the round itself. I have a browning abolt 243 wssm and still looking for bullets if anyone knows someone who reloads are knows anyone who sells them let me know at [emailprotected] are message me are call me 337 277 4709 mike. Snipers are highly trained soldiers specializing in target shooting over long distances. But they are good long range cartridges for hunting the medium size species of big game such as deer, sheep, goats, and most antelope species. Save that abuse for your recreational, competition, and fun range time with calibers that are more affordable to shoot. Your email address will not be published. But first of all, understand how much your wife will let you spend! Make Offer. It is far more costly to design and manufacture a new receiver format than a new cartridge. The 243 Winchester Super Short Magnum or 243 WSSM is a rifle cartridge introduced in 2003. No love for the .45-70?! Im a fan of the 7mm BR. So if youre looking for a rifle that can shoot accurately at long ranges without scaring away your prey, then this might be the perfect rifle for you! That covers Thermal and Chemical erosion concerns. Get gun deals, hand's on reviews, educational content and updates on law changes, daily! Get at least a "GO" gauge while you're at it. .243 WSSM ( Winchester Super Short Magnum ) Load Data. Even then it seems more practical to just buy an AR10. The M14 and FAL magazines should be able to accept the long cartridge, resulting in minimal recoil. Commercial bolt actions have been so reliable for so long that people who arent gunsmiths have forgotten the years and years gunsmiths spent getting magnum cartridges to feed reliably in standard actions eg, sporterized Mauser/1903/1917 actions. Dyspeptic Gunsmith, dont even get me started on the M1A. Winchester introduced the 243 Win in 1955. %* . In 2003, Winchester introduced the .243 Winchester Super Short Magnum and this article compares its ballistic performance against that of the existing .223, .308 and .300 cartridges. 243 Win Once Fired Brass Bullet Casings - Cleaned pk/50. From $25.81 . This cartridge fires an 80 grain bullet at 2800fps and became a major success as a benchrest competition cartridge. It seriously depends on what your consider long range effectiveness, but using 6 mm bullet with a measly BC sounds like a waste. I would imagine that would tilt the market in its favor pretty quick. It should be fed by a detachable or fixed magazine of at least 10 rounds, have ballistics with a bullet that remains supersonic out to at least 880 yards, is rechargeable with stripper clips (if necessary) and have a recoil impulse under 15 ft-lbs. I have since long throated the chamber to allow for David Tubb 115g projectiles to be seated forward (OAL 2.400) this leaves only the boattail in the boiler room so 45g of ADI 2213SC for 3050 fps. The only downside is availability of ammo. I think it really is aMust Have, all around, screaming fast AR-15 Caliber. Im a bit picky. For some reason, the design and marketing of the .25 WSSM was, in my opinion, badly off course. In short, you would do well to use one rifle for varmint hunting and another for deer. Peoples rabid love for that rifle, I will never understand. Heat comes from two things: powder burning (and blow-by) and bullet friction. Larger and heavier AR-10 platforms have been chambered to allow traditional, long cased .243s, and they perform well, too. What is the maximum effective range of a .243? From left to right: .223 WSSM, .243 WSSM, .25 WSSM, .270 WSM, 7 mm WSM, .300 WSM, .325 WSM. 4000 fps is hard on a barrel anyways. Nosler ballistic tip vs. a 165gr. Winchester had a crafty, two-pronged strategy for the .243 Win., and it worked. 6mm PPC USA. It will last a long time. Here's an interesting article I read that compares the .243 chambering and its pros/cons with the other common service rifle calibers including .223, .308, and .300 Win mag. Winchester brought us .243 Winchester as a caliber for varmint hunting and target shooting. A 1 in 9 twist .243 will stabilize the Hornady and Berger 105-107 grain VLD bullets that have b.c.s in the high 500s. Snipers using the .300 cartridge only needed about 75% elevation adjustment and 50% windage compensation compared to the .308. Just checking Hornadys ballistics table their 150gr. The .243 Win. You need to be looking at Berger and Barnes. Its probably the people who buy the guns chambered in this caliber as their first deer rifle, not the caliber itself, as in its high weight/high BC form the 6mm pill is a ballistic gem. Not bad for a semi-auto ar-15 platform. The 95-grain SBST is however affected more by wind than the .300. max pressure of load in percent of the maximum allowed pressure for this caliber. Although such technical aspects are way above my head, I know they are important to the performance of Super Short Magnum cartridges. Instead, they just hoped to retro fit it into existing platforms. First, know that the shape, mathematics, and engineering behind the case design is very important. I shot my .243 at 4000 fps 500yds and you have to do it to see how much quicker the bullet gets there to appreciate what that does for you. I have a 243 wssw in browning rifle is there anyone sell the bullets I love shooting mine I would buy 4 r 5 boxes 243wssw supper short mag. It is based on a shortened and necked down .300 Winchester Short Magnum. For many years, the 95-grain SBST was loaded in .243 Winchester hunting rifles for hunting game animals like mule and white tail deer. This is why Im recommending that people play with ballistics tables or an exterior ballistics program. 969 - 6.5-243 WSSM 1102 - 22-250 1143 - .243 WSSM 1165 - 0.243 1230 - .220 Swift 1273 - 25-06 1329 - 300 Weatherby 1358 - 223 WSSM 1499 - 264 WM 1620 - 257 Weatherby 1746 - 30-378 So yes the .223 WSSM is getting up there into legendary 264 WM barrel burning country. Quality barrels commonly of a stainless steel variety, are better, are harder, combined with improved technology, simply do not produce excessive barrel wear. [3] Winchester has discontinued the manufacture of 243 WSSM ammunition. 257 Roberts +P. 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