Large images may take a few minutes to appear. They are affordable- seems to fit the theme for 7.62x39mm! COL is listed in the first picture. by attila. . : 2.060" Powder: 27.8 gr 30.9 gr Vel. Purchased for use in 458 Socom we will see. Material connection (partnerships) information available at http://ultimatereloader.com/about/. And they get really tight. There is much more data using Accurate 1680. So poor overall performance in two 1/7 barrels. : 2,974 3,066 Press. Twenty five grains of powder sent the Hornady 100-grain GMX into a .74-inch group at a thumping 2,890 fps, and a maximum load of 25.5 grains of powder assembled a .47-inch group at 2,507 fps with the Midway 115-grain FMJ. (verified owner) September 22, 2022, Jeffrey Peterman The load produced good accuracy, reasonable recoil, and averaged 892 fps. Thats why we handload, right? Farm8791026 New Member Posts:1 Joined:Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:25 pm. I have the same bullets and same barrel - but never tried that load (and won't - too far over manufacturer's max rating). (verified owner) July 25, 2022, Stephen Spencer Just what I needed, with fast shipping, thanks. weights, and is perfect for those sub-sonic reduced loads. So what about die stations in the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP? Poll: Whats your number one reason for reloading? You mention a squib. I'm new to loading this round as I just got my last couple tax stamps back last week. Hodgdon CFE-BLK was designed to provide that level of consistency and performance in the .300 AAC Blackout cartridge, particularly when making subsonic loads . Will buy from them in the future. certainly deserves your attention. CFE Pistol provides optimum performance in cartridges like the 9mm Luger, 38 Super, 40 S&W, the 45 ACP and many more. : 33,900 37,400 CUP Hodgdon Not the best idea, but adequate. Always cross-reference load data with manufacturer's published data. My only experience pairing CFE BLK with the 7.62x39mm Soviet involved a rifle review for Wolfe Publishings Rifle magazine, shooting CZ USAs 527 American Synthetic Suppressor-Ready with 16.5-inch barrel (1:9.5 twist) and Rebel Silencers SOS Hunter suppressor installed. Follow @UReloader (verified owner) September 6, 2022, David M. Find load data for Hodgdon CFE BLK propellant by clicking the button "Loads for this Powder".More about this powder:This sp. Noslers 180-grain Ballistic Tip Hunting grouped .55-inch at 1,591 fps, producing 1,012 foot-pounds of energy. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. The shipping has always been a five star. Between my 358 Yeti and 277 Wolverine I've determined that CFE BLK is almost identical in burn rate to Blackout. This includes the majority of mainstream handgun rounds including the 9mm, 38 Special, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP. CFE BLK is a spherical powder formulated for the .300 AAC Blackout, but suitable for a wide variety of rounds, including smaller capacity rounds in the Hornet/Fireball class and AR-15 cartridges ranging from the 6.8 Remington SPC to .458 SOCOM. Will definitely buy from Powder Valley again. (verified owner) June 4, 2022, Anonymous more. cartridge. Handy for the newest data and articles on load work. This looks promising, as does AA2200, and Shooter's World Blackout. We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. Going all lake city would let me go higher, but some of the brass pancakes primers at 24.2gr. Comprehensive load data for Hodgdon CFE BLK reloading powder und technical specifications for this propellant. Contact ultimate reloader by clicking here. Clean, and meters like water making it very repeatable. Find load data for Hodgdon CFE BLK propellant by clicking the button "Loads for this Powder". Im very happy with these loads for an initial guess based on the components I used. 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Still, I was always bothered by the old pistol powders dirty nature and tendency to show pressure increases under a hot sun, occasionally requiring a ramrod to remove stuck cases. April 14, 2017 Gavin 7.62x39mm, Capital Cartridge, Hornady Lock-N-Load AP Videos, Hornady Videos, Lee Products, Lee Videos, Reloading Blog 7.62x39mm, AK-47, Capital Cartridge, Reloading Blog, Reloading Press, Reloading Videos, SKS, Ultimate Reloader. I fell into a super-accurate load right out of the gate while attempting to duplicate Hornady factory ammunition, which shot remarkably when the rifle was new and I was accumulating handloading brass. (verified owner) February 19, 2022, DAVID METCALFE Required fields are marked *. I am also using 220 grain subsonic loads. Not seeing a lot of data out there for subsonic loads. (verified owner) March 26, 2022, Thomas M. Using Richard Lee's modern reloading book I see the Volume Measure Density (VMD) of CFE BLK is 0.0657 so that means 1 grain of CFE BLK takes up .0657 cc of space. Web data may not be accurate/safe. Newly reformed LC brass, CCI-41 primer. Ultimate Reloader is not responsible for errors in load data on this website. Powder Valley has the best prices Ive found. CFE BLK offered a solution, proving temperature insensitive, ultraclean and developing lower chamber pressures. Product is as advertised, fast shipping, no problems. Posts: 6846. by smustian Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:57 pm, Post Powders include Hodgdon, Hodgdon with minimal pressure signs. Ive not only hunted with this pistol, but carried it as a bear gun. I was amazed at how many calibers CFE Pistol has a track record of great performance with. It didnt pair well with the 35-grain Hornady V-MAX, as 1.29 inches was its best showing, though velocity topped out at 3,255 fps. Yes sir, I get that Hodgdon manual every year. Load data for powder "Hodgdon CFE BLK" Find load data for Hodgdon CFE BLK propellant by clicking the button "Loads for this Powder". What are you going to test next with CFE black? Check out the brass from Capital. I am shooting 123 grain Hornady Spire points. (verified owner) January 31, 2022, MARK You can find Hodgdons CFE Pistol powder at, . Works great for my cast subsonic loads in 300 Blackout. Overall, velocities were well below W-296/H-110 recipes, but primers retained rounded edges instead of being smashed flat like my older loads. (verified owner) February 24, 2022. (verified owner) March 12, 2022, KEITH R. Worth a look, also some the data online includes pressures in PSI rather than CUP. Hornady Sub-X 190 gr 2.078" OAL. David F. by GunFunZS Tue May 23, 2017 6:24 pm, Post Not my first order from them and definitely not my last !Great to buy from ! Ultimate Reloader, LLC and Making With Metal can not be held liable for property or personal damage due to viewers/readers of this website performing activities, procedures, techniques, or practices described in whole or part on this website. Dont miss out on Ultimate Reloader updates. The 11.8 gr load (super) grouped 0.75" at 50 yards. To me, it looks like it might be a little faster burn rate since it is showing pressure signs a smidge earlier than AA1680 at the same powder charges. To be used in both an SKS and in a AK clone with 14.5 barrel? . (verified owner) March 12, 2022. Poll: What handgun cartridge do you reload most often? The problem? (verified owner) July 2, 2022, FAST! Moderators:gds, bakerjw, renegade, bamachem, Post The best 40-grain V-MAX group measured .49 inch center-to-center, and clocked 2,453 fps. July 01, 2019 By Layne Simpson Lead photo by Michael Anschuetz Hodgdon CFE BLK powder is in the series of Copper Fouling Eraser propellants. When we are sold out, we are sold out. It's just about required when doing subsor at least makes it a ton easier and maybe safer. in the 300 Blackout, it performs beautifully in many smaller capacity cartridges, in particular, So lets get to it! (verified owner) April 28, 2022. What surprised me about these loads was how well they performed, and how "dialed" they were to factory ammunition. There are no doubt other cartridges CFE BLK would serve well, if willing to carefully extrapolate from the same cartridge Accurate 1680 data, which has a similar though certainly not identical burn rate. He mentioned the quantities of surplus smokeless powder the military had dumped at sea after the war; and speculated how useful that would have been to handloaders struggling through the Great Depression. This load is near the top of Hornadys recommended loads. Good to do business with. 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With iron sights, it is very accurate. Self Proclaimed -- The largest independent 300 Blackout reloading database. Ultimate Reloader LLC is not responsible for errors in load data on this website. Im sure of one thing: I really like loading 7.62x39mm ammunition, and I have a *lot* more testing to do. Then select your bullet weight, powder manufacturer and powder type. As of April 2022, Midsouth Shooters supply shows the 8 lb jug priced at $205.05 and a single pound of CFE Pistol at $29.29. CFE Pistol and Alliant-2400 both measured 0.016 inches in diameter, smaller than HP-38 and over half the length of Hodgdon Trail Boss. Good website, communication, product and shipping. Delivered as promised! The Hornady LNL AP I thinks he likes that one best. First time purchasing this powder, cant wait too test it out. The rifle broke an inch with 15 grains of CFE BLK at just 2,689 fps beneath Sierras 45-grain Varminter SP, with its best groups resulting from 14.5 and 15 grains of powder at 2,622 to 2,704 fps when paired with Hornadys SP SX. For this article, I used the components shown in this picture: For dies, I chose LEE Pacesetter dies (3-die set) in 7.62x39mm. CFE BLK contains our Copper Fouling Eraser ingredient, originally used in military propellant, which greatly deters copper fouling and contributes to longer periods of top accuracy with less barrel cleaning time. I'm guessing you looked at Hodgdon's data? Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. (verified owner) August 28, 2022. accuracy for longer shooting periods, and making clean-up quick and easy. Nosler FBSP loads. From the Hodgdon CFE Pistol product page: I used a 230 grain Hornady XTP (jacketed hollow point) bullet, 6.8 grains of CFE Pistol and a CCI large pistol primer, in mixed brass. CFE 223 is a moderate rifle powder, while CFE BLK is close to the magnum pistol powders. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. Blackout cartridge. The rifle came into its own with Bergers 40-grain FB Varmint, with all loads printing less than .75 inch, the best .55 and .51 inch with 18.5 and 20 grains of powder at 3,172 to 3,245 fps. Thats the powder thats front and center in this story! dellet. When loading for this article, all cases were within .001 OAL of case length spec, so I didnt trim. (verified owner) January 31, 2022, Michael G. Though a good-looking rifle, it wasnt exactly a tack driver, but certainly accurate enough for burrowing rodents at moderate ranges. (verified owner) August 22, 2022, Michael A. For 7.62x39mm reloads, you can use .308 or .310 diameter bullets, but there are trade-offs for precision with .308 bullets. jon adamson : 1.650" Powder: 15.3 gr 18.0 gr Vel. Always liked your selection of reloading supplies and service. No load tested printed outside an inch, including the single subsonic number, showing that CFE BLK is indeed the Blackout powder. Never was notified it was shipped and got concerned, then it just showed up. One variation I would consider would be to move the powder measure to station 2, and to put a powder check die in station 3. Sep 2, 2018. by trsmith1818 Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:39 pm, Post When you load your own ammunition, you have complete certainty about the components, and complete control over performance. All of my reloads have functioned 100% (the ammunition loaded for this article). CFE BLK Should Be on Dealers' Shelves in January 2017 Starting in January, 2017, CFE BLK powder will be available in both one-pound (1-lb.) I'll be testing the 110gr Sierra Pro Hunter and 90gr Sierra Varminter next. Do not attempt to repair or modify any firearms based on information on this website. Oh well. Any of you loading CFE BLK, please post up what you are trying. They shoot good at the speed they are now with mixed brass. You're viewing: Hodgdon Cfe Blk $ 35.99 - $ 264.99. (verified owner) May 9, 2022, Dennis Clarke The Nosler bullet shot best throttled back to 3,365 fps, though juggling the seating depth on this relatively short bullet might improve accuracy with heavier charges. (verified owner) April 4, 2022, Never tried it but now is the time to try new powders, In these trying times, there is a glimmer of hope with Powder Valley. The 35-grain V-MAX did especially well with 12 grains of powder at just 2,451 fps, printing at .36 inch. Good write up. Use load data at your own risk. GREGBS have you found CFE BLK to be faster or slower in burn rate than AA1680? (verified owner) April 30, 2022. All gunsmithing procedures should be carried out by a qualified and licensed gunsmith at their own risk. Ill continue to buy from Powder Valley. (verified owner) April 15, 2022, DENNIS (verified owner) March 24, 2023. what do you think about reloading the 7.6239 in the Nosler 125 gr BT, what would be the highest velocity? The Hodgdon Powder Company began in 1952 as B.E. (verified owner) March 14, 2022, michael britton Shooter's Reference Load Data for .350 Legend .350 Legend - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Hornady #16 Lee #4 Recipe Type: Bullet Weight: Starting Max Source 115 gr FTM-EXP (Lehigh Defense, LLC) 0.355" Powder: 4100 (Accurate) Primer: WIN WSR Case: WIN Trim Length: 1.700" C.O.L. This experiment impressed me enough to have another Fireball rifle built, this one carrying a heavier stainless steel barrel threaded into a smoother Howa 1500 Mini Action. The content on this website (including videos, articles, ammunition reloading data, technical articles, gunsmithing and other information) is for demonstration purposes only. 9mm 147 gr Subsonic Magic Load, Hard to Believe! Thanks for the answer. "CFE," of course, stands for "copper fouling eraser." All the Wilson ammunition was loaded with CFE BLK, and after the range session I took a look inside the . You will be using a chrono, right? CFE Pistol was introduced in 2014. Versatile Hodgdon CFE BLK deserves a place on the loading bench, especially for smaller varmint rounds or just about anything that can be run through an AR-15. I really wished I had more to test with using other powders I have on hand to help out more but I plan to try and standardize all my loads with CFEBLK as I am seeing way more of it than I have seen lately of other powders I have used for 300blk. (verified owner) March 10, 2022, Order was perfect. We are engineers, reloading enthusiasts and operate one of the most powerful ballistics calculators. It functioned flawlessly through my 1997 vintage Kimber 1911 using Chip McCormick magazines. Anonymous Dellet has some interesting data about the load characteristics of CFE BLK. (verified owner) March 17, 2022, Paul H. He purchased 25 tons of government surplus 4895 for $2000 and then purchased two boxcars to store it in preparation for resale at 75 cents per pound. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I am pleased with the results from my 5 Smith and Wesson Model 629. These were 35- and 40-grain V-MAX and a 45-grain Hornet Varmint softnose. by mr.revolverguy Tue May 23, 2017 9:00 pm, Post Hodgdon Hi-Skor 800-X. I used Hornady XTP hollow point jacketed bullets in both loads. A maximum load of 18 grains hit 4,532 fps with the NTX, but the most accurate, .48 inch, resulted from backing off a full grain, but still clocking a jaw-dropping 4,250 fps. The 45 ACP is known for working well with CFE Pistol powder while the 44 magnum is perhaps a more unusual application. -- the largest independent 300 Blackout but there are trade-offs for precision with.308.. 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