I'd say the marth sheik and marth puff matchups are being played very wrong lately, Yea some people have some grossly skewed Marth optimism. Marth believers love to say that Marth wins every MU in theory, but in practice even Zain can struggle in a number of those MUs. So many randoms say oh my god Fox is definitely the best, if you have one bad matchup youre an idiot. Like, you dont know what youre talking about.. Link is the only character who is hardcountered and has a hardcounter. The time between the first and 4th hits hae been decreased. With Marth's superior range, his Neutral Aerial, Forward Aerial, and Down Tilt all allow him to safely deal damage to his opponents from a distance. Niko, that was a rather misinformed post, no offense at all. +2 = Advantage. Made it easier to hit in the high-damage window. Created by phanna and updated for 2015, the chart is based loosely on community consensus regarding character match-ups and there are future plans to use the data collected for deeper analysis of the subject and potential expansion of the chart/project. Sheik is a good pick for iBDWs secondary, but even if he does pick her up, he notes that it is still going to be hard for him to make it out of a bracket with more players starting to work like Zain does at perfecting matchups. This move also has excellent reach and damage. Overall, this is how last year went in terms of Major victories. I started to write notes and descriptions to serve as my own personal 'Marth reference guide'. lol nothing's changed for captain falcon. Marth, +39 5. Marth can combo sheik. +1 = Slight Advantage or Even. All Rights Reserved. Inputting the down input for the side special will accumulate the most damage. =/, This ish making Pika look way too good but whatever. Properly spacing the tipper on attacks such as forward smash and back aerial will allow him to take stocks rather quickly. the last time i saw the matchup played correctly was Azen in 06, and im not sure he lost to any sheik players. 2. I somewhat agree with Overlord (sheik is actually starting to be one of my favourite matchups lol). ddd/mk -3. not sure how i feel about that. Read more: Top 10 best Smash Melee players of 2022, Starting the year off with Genesis for me was really important, and I was proud of that because the narrative going into that year was that online Melee throughout Slippi wasnt really legitimate, Zain said. players, message me if you want to play. Though very subjective (and just for fun) I've attempted to assign a difficulty and usefullness rating to every tech in this list. Increased power in the high-damage window. The two Majors he has his eye on later in the year are Smash Summit and The Big House. Tilts are not a facotr vs a Marth that knows how to CC during move lag and shiek opportunities. Popularity. JavaScript is disabled. I can deal. Made it easier to hit the high-damage range. It's focus is useless in competitive play. Like fair, it can be used for edge guarding, but you should not that Marth's body will face the complete opposite direciton after using it, so be careful of a misinput when recovering back to the stage (you'll need to use a turnaroun special in order to snap to the ledge). Marth out ranges sheik. Catch Zain live on Twitch! on learning techniques and their applications, but also covers various aspects of general strategy. It is essentially outclassed in every way by using a sliding forward tilt, so you should rarely use DA, if at all. I'll hopefully be going to tournaments and playing against much more players in the near / Creatures Inc. / GAME FREAK inc. / SHIGESATO ITOI / APE inc. / INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS / SEGA / CAPCOM CO., LTD. / BANDAI NAMCO Games Inc. / MONOLITHSOFT / CAPCOM U.S.A., INC. / SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD.The copyrights of videos of games used in our content and other intellectual property rights belong to the provider of the game.The contents we provide on this site were created personally by members of the Game8 editorial department.We refuse the right to reuse or repost content taken without our permission such as data or images to other sites. Potemkin - 5.7. He has a winning record against one of those gods, Joseph "Mang0" Marquez, and is nearly even against Juan Hungrybox Debiedma, the god he unseated with his No. Even though hes trying not to think about it, Zain is excited about the opportunity to achieve this legendary accomplishment, and even teased that he wants more. To view matchup spreads, the character chosen on the left column will be matched with the enemy chosen on the top row. Marth players will want to avoid a risk, so they tend to choose fast falling + an air dodge, or escaping toward the ledge, so watch how they attempt to get out of disadvantage and follow up there. In 2022 offline tournaments alone, he's accrued five losses outside the top five: one to lloD, one to aMSa, one to Plup, one to SluG, and another to Wally (to be as charitable as possible, I'm not counting a dropped local set to Ahmad where Zain played both Fox and Marth). It was one of the first big offline LAN tournaments since the onset of the pandemic, and Zain picked up right where he left off. I try not to think about legacy right now while Im playing, Zain told Nerd Street. I feel like last year I played very by the book in terms of matchups and very strictly, which works well, but definitely want to play more confidently and stylishly in tournaments, he said. +1 = Slight Advantage or Even. This section will be expanded regularly as I continue to play Marth and gain relevant matchup knowledge. And maybe I've just not played many pikas, but I think plumbers beat pika 55-45 in plumbers favor. Zain has become the best Marth player in the world and is turning matchups that are usually considered neutral or even bad for his character into winnable games purely based on how hard he. It appears that you are using ad block :'(. A character matchup is a measure of how even a fight is between two characters in a tournament setting. Given that the old chart is 11 years old, and that I see newer players use it to base their mains quite frequently, I really feel like someone (PGStats really) should create one. Additionally, Zain said he wants to add a few new wrinkles to his playstyle. +1 = Slight Advantage or Even. Like forward throw, it doesn't have any confirms, but it can be used to gain stage control or set up an edgeguard. Thanks for the response Ishiey. +2 = Advantage. These are my own opinions, and are not to be taken as 100% correct. Super Smash Bros. Melee Character Matchups Avg. Vote for tiers. A very quick move with good range. Use the up air attack just before landing on the ground. Just last year, Fox only won one Super Major last year, that being Super Smash Con 2019 where William Leffen Hjelte beat Juan Hungrybox Debiedmas Jigglypuff. These are my own opinions, and are not to be taken as 100% correct. You can CC Shiek until 60 percent and her jabs until high 90's. Just look how broken he was in PM with a good shield and a few buffs. The move deals extreme knockback to the opponent in front of Marth, usually resulting in a KO. Liquid|Hungrybox (Jigglypuff) 5. Due to the chart's age, it does not properly represent shifts and innovations in the metagame since it was made, so characters who have risen since previous iterations of the tier list, such as Pikachu and Yoshi may have weaker matchup spreads shown than what is currently accurate. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. "If you will allow me, I can be your strength! Unlike Melee's relatively static top tier, these characters represent the current landscape, with the 2021 tier list marking the first time that all four characters have shared one tier. Everybody except Pichu and Bowser have at least one counter. This combo can be used on opponents with lower percents. Most people don't have the patience to learn the spacing game with Puff. My motivation for creating and updating this site is to give players wanting to learn Zain Zain Naghmi is well aware of what another Genesis win would mean for his place in Smash Melee history. General information about myself, this website, and how to contact me. This page was last edited on April 13, 2022, at 00:31. If I get good feedback and people find this site useful then I could potentially do something similar for other characters, Sheik, +43 3. with the exceptions being my brother Seshiro and close friend Size14Gerudo who I play against frequently. If you are below the stage, it may be harder to use it for recovery, since you may fall below the blast line, but if launched high, use it to move closer to the stage. Zain and his signature Marth went 3-4 against iBDW and his Fox last year. Smash.gg bracket: https://smash.gg/tournament/smash-summit-9/events/melee-singles/brackets, Seeding: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQmLganXUAE581T?format=jpg&name=small, Schedule: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQM5mhdWkAQOhd_?format=jpg&name=medium, Plup Sheik (10th seed) 3-0 Mang0 Falco (3rd seed), Fiction Fox (7th seed) 3-2 aMSa Yoshi (6th seed), iBDW Fox (9th seed) 3-1 Wizzrobe Captain Falcon (8th seed), Pricent Fox (18th seed) 3-1 Shroomed Sheik (14th seed), Mang0 Falco (3rd seed) 3-2 Hax Fox (11th seed), Leffen Fox (4th seed) 3-2 n0ne Captain Falcon (12th seed), Axe Pikachu (5th seed) 3-2 Wizzrobe Captain Falcon (8th seed), Axe Pikachu (5th seed) 3-2 Spark Sheik (13th seed), Fiction Fox (7th seed) 3-2 Magi Falco (a reverse 3-0), n0ne Captain Falcon (12th seed) 3-2 Spark Sheik (13th seed), Zain Marth (1st seed) 3-0 Leffen Fox (4th seed), Zain Marth (1st seed) 3-1 iBDW Fox (9th seed), Hungrybox Jigglypuff (2nd seed) 3-0 Fiction Fox (7th seed), Hungrybox Jigglypuff (2nd seed) 3-0 Plup Fox (10th seed), Mang0 Falco (3rd seed) 3-1 aMSa Yoshi (6th seed), Leffen Fox (4th seed) 3-0 Bobby Big Ballz Falco (17th seed), Axe Pikachu (5th seed) 3-1 Bobby Big Ballz Falco (17th seed), aMSa Yoshi (6th seed) 3-0 Shroomed Sheik (14th seed) (Shroomed out at 17th), Wizzrobe Captain Falcon (8th seed) 3-1 Ryobeat Peach (16th seed), iBDW Fox (9th seed) 3-0 Spark Sheik (13th seed), Plup Sheik (10th seed) 3-1 Magi Falco (15th seed), Hax Fox (11th seed) 3-1 Pricent Fox (18th seed), n0ne Captain Falcon (12th seed) 3-1 Ryobeat Peach (16th seed) (Ryobeat out at 17th), Magi Falco (15th seed) 3-1 Pricent Fox (18th seed). With its extremely fast startup, this is one of the best out of shield options in the entire game. Though i still also think the matchup IS slightly worse in NTSC. 0 = Even. Zain had already won one Major before winning Genesis 7 in 2020, but Genesis was his first Supermajor, a term reserved for only the most prestigious tournaments. Another fast move with a large hitbox, bair is also excellent for closing out stocks. I have extremely limited exposure against much of the cast, and I only want to formalize my thoughts once I feel I understand how I want It appears that you are using ad block :'(. For other characters who are not shown here, we are still investigating the matchup. -2 = Disadvantage. Oh right, kdj beat ken that one time 3-2. This means that it can be used as a recovery option after being launched offstage by an opponent. On this year's current Super Smash Bros Melee tier list, four characters are placed in B+ tier: Ice Climbers, Pikachu, Yoshi and Samus. Pokemon Trainer's individual Pokemon (Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard) as well as Echo fighters with no significant difference than their regular counterpart are not shown. Last summer he was ranked No. I put my thoughts on it. A time line that will help guide you through the daunting process of learning SSBM using Marth. This section will be expanded regularly as I continue to play Marth and gain relevant matchup knowledge. Welcome to Reddit's finest Smash Bros. community! 2020 2021 2022 2023 Contents 1 Head to Head Matchups 2 Largest Tournaments 2.1 By Entrants 2.1.1 Offline 2.1.2 Online 2.2 Outside the United States 2.3 By Prize Pool 3 Lifetime Offline Premier and Major Tournament Placements 3.1 Singles 3.2 Doubles 4 Character Distribution Head to Head Matchups 16th overall. This combo can be used on opponents with lower percents. [Link to Day 2 thread] (https://old.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/f3vsc2/smash_summit_9_day_2_upsetgeneral_match_thread/). When reporting a problem, please be as specific as possible in providing details such as what conditions the problem occurred under and what kind of effects it had. Ganondorf, +21 9. 2. Tilts you can CC tech (its practical, not even hard) for a long time too. -2 = Disadvantage. -1 = Slight Disadvantage or Even. Made it easier to hit in the high-damage window. GG|Zain (Marth) 2. For more information, please see our This is also why Im trying to get more responses, the more sane people fill this out the more sane the chart will be. Just something you need to think about. 1 in the rankings, he said. no way Marth vs Puff is in Marth's favor if you know how to use puff. Marth's forward throw has decent launch distance, and can be used to set up an edgeguard, but it doesn't combo or confirm into anything. If Marths can now actually hit that tipper F-smash with a high degree of consistency for edgeguard then I'll concede that the matchup isn't that bad. I'm a Marth main (if you somehow didn't already guess), but I also play quite a lot of Fox. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Like I dont know what else I could be doing besides consistently outplaying the player. In order for us to make the best articles possible, share your corrections, opinions, and thoughts about Pyra / Mythra Guide: Matchup Chart and Combos | Super Smash Bros Ultimate with us! you can actually solve for nash equilibria directly, no need for monte carlo. Zain obviously wants to remain the top player in Smash Melee, but hes trying not to focus on that as much this year. He hasnt won any Big Houses yet either. Archived post. Another special property of this attack lies in the fact that striking an opponent's head directly will allow him to do 1.15x damage. In total, three tournament winners used Fox during their runs, but Mang0 is technically a dual main with Falco and Fox, with Falco taking precedent most of the time in his matches. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The next Genesis, Genesis 8, wouldnt take place until early 2022. With his extremely fast up special and long ranged nair attacks, Marth has great out of shield options. You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. And anyway, in NTSC is not so worse than PAL. Marth's bread and butter combos, how to unlock, frame data, alt costumes and skins, as well as Marth's matchups, counters, and tier list placement can all be found here. Keep in mind that you don't need to master everything described in every stage before moving on. (its not as bad as 40 60 but worse than 45 55). This attack covers the space above Marth, all the way to his back, making it useful against opponents who are jumping, landing, or even rolling. This combo can be used on opponents at various percents. Sheik will definetly benefit more from a better dthrow than marth will from his spike overall. -1 = Slight Disadvantage or Even. As a coding project I created a program that takes google form responses and turns them into a weighted and sorted matchup chart. A comprehensive list of the techniques available to Marth in SSBM along with descriptions, explanations, and details on everything - starting from the fundamentals to impractical swag maneuvers. I main marth and capitan falcon, im not phenomenally good but I can do some stuff, and I'd love to not have to argue why marth falcon is 60-40 falcon (arguably worse then the shiek MU). Divided into stages, ordered by difficulty, and full of technical challenges. Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts! I could use the practice partners. Hes also trying to take better care of his body so that hes at peak competitive form. That includes getting enough sleep, watching his diet and working out more, in particular cardio. 3. Zain finished fourth at The Big House 10 last year. I disagree with marth vs falco, it should be +1 for marth IMO, same for DDK; IDK for oli, but vs Ike it should be AT LEAST +2 for marth, this MU is so free, Can someone please explain the reasoning behind Ness - DK being changed to +/- 3? 1. Press J to jump to the feed. Spacing: Goes to Marth. Holding up launches opponents upward, no input launches them forward, while holding down allows him to deal more damage. Complaints, recommendations, corrections, questions, requests, all feedback is welcome! Extended launch distance in the high-damage window. sure i'll MM you whenever people are blessed enough to have us both in the same room. Hard disagree on Luigi for this. So, I just calculated how much this ranking would change with MK banned. And that is true, to many people even in the Melee scene, Fox is considered the highest of the top-tier fighters, but that notion hasnt really been true over the last few years considering how many other characters have taken Major victories. Samus is probably slight in favor over Luigi because he cant space as well. Matchups. and our The ratings are on the following scales: Difficulty: (Swordmaster Lord: Harbinger of 20BC). 5. 1. For any fellow SC As a Luigi main hes not that good against spacies you can do the Chain grab and also young link is a nightmare to deal with. And I still think it's 45-55. It feels like after seeing Zain win Genesis 7 and seeing the 2019 rankings for Melee the evolution of the character charts is going to start becoming even more prominent. Zain Marth (1st seed) 3-1 iBDW Fox (9th seed) Hungrybox Jigglypuff (2nd seed) 3-0 Fiction Fox (7th seed) Hungrybox Jigglypuff (2nd seed) 3-0 Plup Fox (10th seed) Mang0 Falco (3rd seed) 3-1 aMSa Yoshi (6th seed) Leffen Fox (4th seed) 3-0 Bobby Big Ballz Falco (17th seed) Axe Pikachu (5th seed) 3-1 Bobby Big Ballz Falco (17th seed) He's no Armada. He said that iBDW has really revamped the Fox/Marth matchup. Although he beat aMSa twice at the start of the year, aMSa beat Zain three straight times to end the year. Well.. Combos: Almost even Slight shiek, but only slight because down throw can kill at 70 with tipper upsmash and it creates edgeguard opportunities at mid pecents. However, after losing to losing a match against Zain Naghmis Marth, Cody iBDW Schwab brought up the fact that there are matchups in the nearly two-decade-old game that are still evolving at a rapid pace. 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